Discussion:
Flex Feature
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jon_banquer
2007-09-08 01:06:32 UTC
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Is there a way to fix Tim Pane 1 / Trim Plane 2 directly to a face. If
not shouldn't there be?

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
m***@solidworks.com
2007-09-08 01:26:59 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Is there a way to fix Tim Pane 1 / Trim Plane 2 directly to a face. If
not shouldn't there be?
John, The triad used in Flex has all the functionality of the standard
SW triad, therefore you if you right mouse button on the positioning
triad, you align the Trim Plane1 or Trim Plane 2 to a reference.
Additonally, if you only want to bend part of your body, you can align
the triad's origin to plane 1 or 2 thereby only bending (twisting,
tapering, stretching) anything between Plane 1 (in which triad is
aligned to) and Plane 2. There are also other aligning options when
you RMB over the Triad.

Regards

Mark
Cliff
2007-09-08 10:20:21 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Is there a way to fix Tim Pane 1 / Trim Plane 2 directly to a face. If
not shouldn't there be?
[
SolidProfessor videos just smoke your book. From what I've seen of the free
myigetit videos they do as well.
] - jon banquer on Jul 14 2007

[
It is properly covered in the SolidProfessor videos and I bet it's properly
covered in the myigetit course but I have not subscribe to it as of yet...
] - jon banquer on Jul 15 2007

[
I will be starting the www.myigetit.com Solidworks
course in the next week or so. It's only $25 and they claim it's as good or
better than $600 I spent on the SolidProfessor Professional video course.
] - jon banquer on 19 Jul 2007

You should ask that jon banquer character.

[
I've taken VAR training paid for by my employer and I've purchased video
training with my own money and the video training I purchased with my own money
has been a far better value than the overpriced VAR training that my employer
paid for.
] - jon banquer on Jun 9 2007

[
... VAR's use in their overpriced training classes ...
] - jon banquer on Aug 8 2007

He can just ask a video the question about the basics for
you. No need for anybody overpriced or to beg for free advice
or any training.

He's been watching videos for several months now ..
Post by jon_banquer
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
[
QUOTE>>>>The real problem right now is that the major CAM systems need video
done to cover their massive gap in documentation. I'm speaking of MasterCAM and
Gibbscam.<<

What version of Mastercam are you talking about ?

The current version has a HUGE help file with MANY MANY videos available via
links inside the help file.

Posted by: Mattapotamus |
]
--
Cliff
FlowerPot
2007-09-08 23:10:35 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Is there a way to fix Tim Pane 1 / Trim Plane 2 directly to a face. If
not shouldn't there be?
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
Oh, are you gonna go off again about global shape modeling?

Please?

I love machinists doing global deformations of my models before they
machine them. Or I mean I would if my name were Salvadore Dali.

Flex is another semi-useless function in the software. You just
gravitate toward that crap.

Daisy.
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jon_banquer
2007-09-09 00:08:12 UTC
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Pushing Up Daisies,

"I love machinists doing global deformations of my models before they
machine them. Or I mean I would if my name were Salvadore Dali."

I think it would be fair to say you hate machinists which is fine with
me... I dislike most mechanical engineers. Not all, just most.

Using the SolidWorks Flex feature seems like an excellent way to save
some time and modify a "dumb" imported solid to me. Not aware of any
drawbacks to using the Flex Feature yet.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
Cliff
2007-09-09 13:01:54 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Using the SolidWorks Flex feature seems like an excellent way to save
some time and modify a "dumb" imported solid to me.
Perhaps the designer, engineer & customer WANTED them that way.

You never seem to learn, eh?
--
Cliff
FlowerPot
2007-09-09 13:43:49 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Pushing Up Daisies,
"I love machinists doing global deformations of my models before they
machine them. Or I mean I would if my name were Salvadore Dali."
I think it would be fair to say you hate machinists which is fine with
me... I dislike most mechanical engineers. Not all, just most.
Using the SolidWorks Flex feature seems like an excellent way to save
some time and modify a "dumb" imported solid to me. Not aware of any
drawbacks to using the Flex Feature yet.
Yeah, I'm sure you're not, but that's not because they are not there,
it's because you are so feaking clueless. You don't have very good
control over what the feature makes. You can be precise when actually
modeling a part, but Flex just throws all that precision out the window.

Daisy.
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jon_banquer
2007-09-09 15:44:04 UTC
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Pushing Up Daisies,
You don't have very good control over what the feature makes. You can be precise when >actually modeling a part, but Flex just throws all that precision out the window.
I think it depends on how you use the Flex feature and what you use it
for. You seem to want to apply a standard to using the Flex feature
that doesn't apply in many cases.

For bending things like brackets, hangers, suspension components, etc.
I think it's great and saves a lot of time.

I also think it's great for making cosmetic changes to differentiate
between what really are the same parts to keep private label customers
happy.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
FlowerPot
2007-09-09 15:55:10 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
For bending things like brackets, hangers, suspension components, etc.
I think it's great and saves a lot of time.
I also think it's great for making cosmetic changes to differentiate
between what really are the same parts to keep private label customers
Never worked in a sheet metal shop, have you Jon? How the hell are you
going to manufacture something that was bent by something like that? You
don't have precise control of the results. Flex can't be used for design
or manufacturing data.

Where did you used to work before you got fired?

Daisy.
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jon_banquer
2007-09-09 16:17:35 UTC
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Pushing Up Daisies,

To answer your question I have never worked in a sheet metal shop. I'm
not using the SolidWorks Flex Feature for sheet metal parts.

You continue to be unable to backup your claim with specifics on why
the SolidWorks Flex feature isn't a great tool for modifying the types
of "dumb" imported solids that I mentioned.

Perhaps you prefer to model the parts again so as to get more billable
hours. I don't.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
b***@aol.com
2007-09-09 20:33:16 UTC
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:17:35 -0700, jon_banquer
Post by jon_banquer
Perhaps you prefer to model the parts again so as to get more billable
hours. I don't.
Jon,

You are using SolidWorks professionally?
There are people/companies paying you to model their parts?

Tom
jon_banquer
2007-09-09 21:02:42 UTC
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Tom Brewer is a SolidWorks expert. A SolidWorks expert is someone who
knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely
everything about nothing.


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
b***@aol.com
2007-09-09 21:37:05 UTC
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:02:42 -0700, jon_banquer
Post by jon_banquer
A SolidWorks expert is someone who
knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely
everything about nothing.
Jon Banquer
Banquer-Voided the question as usual I see.

I repeat the direct questions;

You are using SolidWorks professionally?
There are people/companies paying you to model their parts?

Tom
jon_banquer
2007-09-09 22:03:55 UTC
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Tom Brewer And Joe788 "Logic" Examined:


You purchase a new computer.

You post it's a fast wonderful computer that does a great job for the
software you're running at the time!

Three years go by.

You post the computer you purchased three years ago is slow and will
no longer do the job and that this computer now sucks at running your
cadcam software. You also post that you have moved on to a new
computer made by someone else and it's great!

Tom Brewer / Joe788 use these postings to try and make the case that
the person posting is an idiot.

It's not hard to see who the ignorant idiot's are.


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
b***@aol.com
2007-09-09 23:47:20 UTC
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 15:03:55 -0700, jon_banquer
Post by jon_banquer
You purchase a new computer.
You post it's a fast wonderful computer that does a great job for the
software you're running at the time!
Three years go by.
You post the computer you purchased three years ago is slow and will
no longer do the job and that this computer now sucks at running your
cadcam software. You also post that you have moved on to a new
computer made by someone else and it's great!
Tom Brewer / Joe788 use these postings to try and make the case that
the person posting is an idiot.
It's not hard to see who the ignorant idiot's are.
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
Jon,

As I pointed out earlier and numerous times that you have our
positions reversed. Nice try at revising your history but it's here
for all to see.

You take the position Jon from your pervious posts that SW-1998 you
liked, then after years of development, improvements and enhancements
you say SW-2006 is a "Complete Piece Of Shit".

Exhibit A:

"For the record I like SolidWorks" Jon Banquer April 10, 1998

Exhibit B:

"Without a doubt SaladWorks is a complete piece of shit" - Jon
Banquer - May 21, 2006

-------------------------

So please tell us what made SW-1998 good and SW-2006 such a piece of
shit?

-----------------------
Remember this?

"I've been away from SolidWorks for almost ten years. At this point I
spend the majority of my day on SolidWorks 2007. The program has
changed so much in ten years that I'm still way behind where I need to
be." - Jon Banquer - Aug. 26, 2007

So what were you basing your opinions these past years, especially
since you didn't know or use SolidWorks at the time?

Tom
Cliff
2007-09-12 11:29:34 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Tom Brewer / Joe788 use these postings to try and make the case that
the person posting is an idiot.
Works quite well too, does it not?
We just quote you.
Pretty simple, actually.
--
Cliff
Cliff
2007-09-11 08:12:20 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 14:02:42 -0700, jon_banquer
Post by jon_banquer
A SolidWorks expert is someone who
knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely
everything about nothing.
Jon Banquer
Banquer-Voided the question as usual I see.
I repeat the direct questions;
You are using SolidWorks professionally?
There are people/companies paying you to model their parts?
Perhaps he picked up some "customers" at a meeting
recently <G>.
--
Cliff
Gary K
2007-09-09 23:36:38 UTC
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Tom Brewer is a SolidWorks expert. What jb is can be determined by
checking out this link:

http://www.davidgerard.co.uk/fuckhead.html
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
Cliff
2007-09-11 08:11:25 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Tom Brewer is a SolidWorks expert. A SolidWorks expert is someone who
knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely
everything about nothing.
He actually can use it & does.
You do neither.
You don't even seem to know what CAD/CAM is, much less
CAD OR CAM.

HTH
--
Cliff
FlowerPot
2007-09-10 00:14:37 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Pushing Up Daisies,
To answer your question I have never worked in a sheet metal shop.
No shit?! I couldn't have told!
Post by jon_banquer
I'm
not using the SolidWorks Flex Feature for sheet metal parts.
Really? What kind of a part is a bracket? Particularly a bent bracket?
Is it just a bent part and not sheet metal?
Post by jon_banquer
You continue to be unable to backup your claim with specifics on why
the SolidWorks Flex feature isn't a great tool for modifying the types
of "dumb" imported solids that I mentioned.
It's unsuitable because you're at the mercy of the software when it
comes to the shape in the flexed area. If you had ever used the feature,
you'd know this without being told.
Post by jon_banquer
Perhaps you prefer to model the parts again so as to get more billable
hours. I don't.
I prefer to have the parts correct, not half-assed. Please, tell me the
name of any shop where you get a job. I want to make sure we save time
and money by not having you wreck my parts.

Daisy.
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jon_banquer
2007-09-10 00:52:48 UTC
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Pushing Up Daisies,
Post by FlowerPot
Really? What kind of a part is a bracket? Particularly a bent bracket?
Is it just a bent part and not sheet metal?
From bar stock. Most are aluminum.
It's unsuitable because you're at the mercy of the software when it
comes to the shape in the flexed area. If you had ever used the feature,
you'd know this without being told.
I can control where the bend angle starts by positioning the triad on
Plane 1, which I anchor to a Vertex, and positioning Plane 2 anchored
to a Vertex. I then enter the angle to bend the "dumb" solid.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
b***@aol.com
2007-09-10 03:41:38 UTC
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:52:48 -0700, jon_banquer
Post by jon_banquer
I can control where the bend angle starts by positioning the triad on
Plane 1, which I anchor to a Vertex, and positioning Plane 2 anchored
to a Vertex. I then enter the angle to bend the "dumb" solid.
Jon Banquer
Pretty clear where your at on the SolidProfessor Tutorials........if
your going to parrot the lesson you should at least credit your
sources.

Tom
Cliff
2007-09-11 08:18:55 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 17:52:48 -0700, jon_banquer
Post by jon_banquer
I can control where the bend angle starts by positioning the triad on
Plane 1, which I anchor to a Vertex, and positioning Plane 2 anchored
to a Vertex. I then enter the angle to bend the "dumb" solid.
Jon Banquer
Pretty clear where your at on the SolidProfessor Tutorials........if
your going to parrot the lesson you should at least credit your
sources.
[
SolidProfessor videos just smoke your book. From what I've seen of the free
myigetit videos they do as well.
] - jon banquer on Jul 14 2007

[
It is properly covered in the SolidProfessor videos and I bet it's properly
covered in the myigetit course but I have not subscribe to it as of yet...
] - jon banquer on Jul 15 2007

[
I will be starting the www.myigetit.com Solidworks
course in the next week or so. It's only $25 and they claim it's as good or
better than $600 I spent on the SolidProfessor Professional video course.
] - jon banquer on 19 Jul 2007

You should ask that jon banquer character.

[
I've taken VAR training paid for by my employer and I've purchased video
training with my own money and the video training I purchased with my own money
has been a far better value than the overpriced VAR training that my employer
paid for.
] - jon banquer on Jun 9 2007

[
... VAR's use in their overpriced training classes ...
] - jon banquer on Aug 8 2007

He can just ask a video the question about the basics for
you. No need for anybody overpriced or to beg for free advice
or any training.

He's been watching videos for several months now ..

[
QUOTE>>>>The real problem right now is that the major CAM systems need video
done to cover their massive gap in documentation. I'm speaking of MasterCAM and
Gibbscam.<<

What version of Mastercam are you talking about ?

The current version has a HUGE help file with MANY MANY videos available via
links inside the help file.

Posted by: Mattapotamus
]
--
Cliff
Cliff
2007-09-11 08:15:02 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Pushing Up Daisies,
Post by FlowerPot
Really? What kind of a part is a bracket? Particularly a bent bracket?
Is it just a bent part and not sheet metal?
From bar stock. Most are aluminum.
It's unsuitable because you're at the mercy of the software when it
comes to the shape in the flexed area. If you had ever used the feature,
you'd know this without being told.
I can control where the bend angle starts by positioning the triad on
Plane 1, which I anchor to a Vertex, and positioning Plane 2 anchored
to a Vertex. I then enter the angle to bend the "dumb" solid.
You are not very bright.
--
Cliff
Cliff
2007-09-11 08:13:54 UTC
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Post by FlowerPot
Post by jon_banquer
You continue to be unable to backup your claim with specifics on why
the SolidWorks Flex feature isn't a great tool for modifying the types
of "dumb" imported solids that I mentioned.
It's unsuitable because you're at the mercy of the software when it
comes to the shape in the flexed area. If you had ever used the feature,
you'd know this without being told.
He'll have lots of fun dimensioning such .. <G>.
--
Cliff
Cliff
2007-09-11 08:09:32 UTC
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 09:17:35 -0700, jon_banquer <***@yahoo.com> wrote:

[
Post by jon_banquer
For bending things like brackets, hangers, suspension components, etc.
I think it's great and saves a lot of time.
]

ALL sheet metal parts !

[
Post by jon_banquer
To answer your question I have never worked in a sheet metal shop. I'm
not using the SolidWorks Flex Feature for sheet metal parts.
]

Does he even know what they are? Or just plain clueless again?

jbtek.com is a Phoenix firm (Just Bent Technology) owned by Jay Bulfer.
Sheet metal shop. Does welding.

HTH
--
Cliff
r***@gmail.com
2007-09-13 17:01:17 UTC
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Hi, I would like some help with the flex feature, if I can get some
answers withouth arguing with people that would be great!

As an industrial designer, I find that the flex tool is only useful
for one thing, living hinges, other than that, you can make some cool
drill bits and stuff like that. the only thing I can't seem to wrap
my head around is how to control it. I know that it will not be exact
but we are only talking about a living hinge, if it is off by 1mm, it
would still work. So if anyone knows a good tutorial on using the
flex tool, mainly the bend feature, please let me know.

Thanks in advanve and please stop the bickering over whos right or
not.
FlowerPot
2007-09-13 19:05:06 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
Hi, I would like some help with the flex feature, if I can get some
answers withouth arguing with people that would be great!
As an industrial designer, I find that the flex tool is only useful
for one thing, living hinges, other than that, you can make some cool
drill bits and stuff like that. the only thing I can't seem to wrap
my head around is how to control it. I know that it will not be exact
but we are only talking about a living hinge, if it is off by 1mm, it
would still work. So if anyone knows a good tutorial on using the
flex tool, mainly the bend feature, please let me know.
Thanks in advanve and please stop the bickering over whos right or
not.
I won't bicher. You don't have to argue with me either, so I won't argue
with you, You can just assume I'm right because clueless is... well...
clueless.

Anyway, If your an Ind Degner then flex is perfect for you. It is best
used with multiple context switch turned on, like everything else.

Youre right about the drill bits. All machinists know that you can get
grind quality prints from using Flex with multiple contexts while
twisting a stick to make a drill bit.

What other kind of help do you want with Flex? You doing cartoons? Great
for that. You can draft an entire part all in one go too! Just use the
Taper option and taper it from one end to the other! Whammo. Your
machenust friends will think youre a mold builder!

Lessee. Twist, Taper, Oh, yeah, Stretch. Who needs parametric modeling?
I don't need no stinking parametric modeling! Just use Stretch! It can
lengthen or shorten!!!

Of couse Bend is the sheet metal tool. Sheet metal in SW is too hard to
lern, and if you can't afford no stinkin videos, you're up de crick! So
just use Bend. With the Bend Over option you can expose yor vitals to
proctological violation. (always wanted to use that in a ligitimate
sentence).

If your too lazxy to get your smarts the old-fashioned way (by
learning), just use Flex. It does everything you need. Highly compatible
with multiple contexts.

Daisy.
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r***@gmail.com
2007-09-13 19:34:01 UTC
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Post by FlowerPot
Post by r***@gmail.com
Hi, I would like some help with the flex feature, if I can get some
answers withouth arguing with people that would be great!
As an industrial designer, I find that the flex tool is only useful
for one thing, living hinges, other than that, you can make some cool
drill bits and stuff like that. the only thing I can't seem to wrap
my head around is how to control it. I know that it will not be exact
but we are only talking about a living hinge, if it is off by 1mm, it
would still work. So if anyone knows a good tutorial on using the
flex tool, mainly the bend feature, please let me know.
Thanks in advanve and please stop the bickering over whos right or
not.
I won't bicher. You don't have to argue with me either, so I won't argue
with you, You can just assume I'm right because clueless is... well...
clueless.
Anyway, If your an Ind Degner then flex is perfect for you. It is best
used with multiple context switch turned on, like everything else.
Youre right about the drill bits. All machinists know that you can get
grind quality prints from using Flex with multiple contexts while
twisting a stick to make a drill bit.
What other kind of help do you want with Flex? You doing cartoons? Great
for that. You can draft an entire part all in one go too! Just use the
Taper option and taper it from one end to the other! Whammo. Your
machenust friends will think youre a mold builder!
Lessee. Twist, Taper, Oh, yeah, Stretch. Who needs parametric modeling?
I don't need no stinking parametric modeling! Just use Stretch! It can
lengthen or shorten!!!
Of couse Bend is the sheet metal tool. Sheet metal in SW is too hard to
lern, and if you can't afford no stinkin videos, you're up de crick! So
just use Bend. With the Bend Over option you can expose yor vitals to
proctological violation. (always wanted to use that in a ligitimate
sentence).
If your too lazxy to get your smarts the old-fashioned way (by
learning), just use Flex. It does everything you need. Highly compatible
with multiple contexts.
Daisy.
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wow you one bitter bitch, what do you do again?
jon_banquer
2007-09-13 23:52:44 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
wow you one bitter bitch, what do you do again?
The Flex Feature is a lot better than you think it is.

Posted to comp.cad.solidworks on Feb 22 2006

"I don't use the deform tool but I've made fantastic use of the flex
feature. It is very predictable and controllable once I got the hang
of it. I've used it in quite a few production parts from injection
molded housings to fabricated steel. My rant is about indent - I
find
it very very confusing for some reason.

Zander"



Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
FlowerPot
2007-09-14 00:42:39 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Post by r***@gmail.com
wow you one bitter bitch, what do you do again?
The Flex Feature is a lot better than you think it is.
Posted to comp.cad.solidworks on Feb 22 2006
"I don't use the deform tool but I've made fantastic use of the flex
feature. It is very predictable and controllable once I got the hang
of it. I've used it in quite a few production parts from injection
molded housings to fabricated steel. My rant is about indent - I
find
it very very confusing for some reason.
Zander"
Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
In the history of everything, one person who you don't even know from
adam posts something positive about your pet projetct, and now it
becomes gospel.

What I like is that you'll use this anonymous zander as a role model for
something you know nothing about, and then you'll bust on engineers for
creating stupidshit models which can't be made. What you dont realize is
that the Flex makes it really easy to make stupidshit models.

Here's a novel idea. Why don't you actually use the software to make
something and tell us what you did? Did you lose access to SolidWorks
software when you got booted from that last shop for crashing another
machine?

I like indent. I don't like flex or multiple contexts although I use
then when need requires. Which is almost never.

You're still refusing to post a situation in which you would use
multiple contexts? Credibility slipping jon. Based on using flex for
sheet metal parts, it probably is best to keep you fucking mouth shut
for a change.

How about Shape, jon? I'll bet you like Shape too, don\t you./ Its as
big a piece of shit as the rest, which is how I know you'll like it.

And of course the grand daddy of useless features is Deform. This is the
one I expected you to glom onto, with the global shape modeling and all.

Anyway, Shape and Deform. Think about them for a while. I know your
gonna love them.

Daisy.
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Edward T Eaton
2007-09-14 02:10:02 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
Hi, I would like some help with the flex feature, if I can get some
answers withouth arguing with people that would be great!
As an industrial designer, I find that the flex tool is only useful
for one thing, living hinges, other than that, you can make some cool
drill bits and stuff like that. the only thing I can't seem to wrap
my head around is how to control it. I know that it will not be exact
but we are only talking about a living hinge, if it is off by 1mm, it
would still work. So if anyone knows a good tutorial on using the
flex tool, mainly the bend feature, please let me know.
Thanks in advanve and please stop the bickering over whos right or
not.
I wish I knew about a good tutorial - this is a tough feature to use
accurately.

And it CAN be used accurately if you spend the time to fight the
innacuracies that SWx tries to include (tip - keep an eye on each
number as you add constraints - 180� will be turned into 179.67 � as
you change paramters, presumably to *help* you, but it doesn't)

It can be decent on living hinges. It has been a while since I did it
last and this might no longer apply (in 2007), but I used a layout
sketch to work out the start and end points for the hinge 'flex'
region and tied my start and end planes to that sketch. Then I
struggled with it for about an hour, but got what I needed out of it.

One thing to keep in mind is that, like most SWx features, you have to
know the 'real world' correlation to the feature to use it correctly.
As one of the trolls pointed out (google 'internet troll' to find out
about this pathetic hobby - they will latch onto one thing in your
post and hammer it without regard to the main thrust of your question)
drill bits are not made by taking a piece of metal and twisting it, so
flex doesn't make sense as a feature to make a drill bit.

However, if you take a molded part modeled in the 'as molded'
condition and then use 'flex' to fold the part along a living hinge to
check how it will close, that is kosher. In other words - only use
flex to bend parts that are bent after their manufacture to some
nominal state defined by other features (or are bent as some part of
the manufacturing process, assuming more worthy and reliable
processes, like sheetmetal, don't apply)

Same goes for deform - it can seem easy to model a project using
deform, but my position is that you should have modeled a curved shape
to that curved state in the first place. The only time I used deform
was a few years back when mold-flow analysis showed that the part
would warp in the wrong direction and I knew that our molder lacked
the skill to correct it before cutting the tool. So I used deform to
warp the part into a condition that would shrink and warp back into
the correct nominal state for the part. Worked great.

Hope this helps

Ed 'F*** the trolls, lets talk Swx' Eaton
jon_banquer
2007-09-14 02:19:37 UTC
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Post by Edward T Eaton
drill bits are not made by taking a piece of metal and twisting it, so
flex doesn't make sense as a feature to make a drill bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_bit

"The twist drill bit was invented by Steven A. Morse[1] of East
Bridgewater, Massachusetts in 1861. He received U.S. Patent 38,119
for his invention on April 7, 1863. The original method of manufacture
was to cut two grooves in opposite sides of a round bar, then to twist
the bar to produce the helical flutes. This gave the tool its name.
Nowadays, the drill bit is usually made by rotating the bar while
moving it past a grinding wheel to cut the flutes in the same manner
as cutting helical gears."

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
FlowerPot
2007-09-14 02:47:47 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Post by Edward T Eaton
drill bits are not made by taking a piece of metal and twisting it, so
flex doesn't make sense as a feature to make a drill bit.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drill_bit
"The twist drill bit was invented by Steven A. Morse[1] of East
Bridgewater, Massachusetts in 1861. He received U.S. Patent 38,119
for his invention on April 7, 1863. The original method of manufacture
was to cut two grooves in opposite sides of a round bar, then to twist
the bar to produce the helical flutes. This gave the tool its name.
Nowadays, the drill bit is usually made by rotating the bar while
moving it past a grinding wheel to cut the flutes in the same manner
as cutting helical gears."
Um, do you think someone who doesn't know how to cut a drill does know
how to cut helical gears?

By the way, did you see how 1701 agreed with me? I knew I taught him well.

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Edward T Eaton
2007-09-14 05:12:24 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
"The twist drill bit was invented by Steven A. Morse[1] of East
Bridgewater, Massachusetts in 1861. He received U.S. Patent 38,119
for his invention on April 7, 1863. The original method of manufacture
was to cut two grooves in opposite sides of a round bar, then to twist
the bar to produce the helical flutes.
Care to talk about design in this century
...or maybe the last?
It was *mildly* interesting to learn how things were done in the
1800's, but without context, your post seems useless in 2007
If you can't cite anyone who still makes bits this way, why mention
it? What does it add to the discussion of Flex?

Ed 'f*** the trolls' Eaton
r***@gmail.com
2007-09-14 13:58:32 UTC
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Post by Edward T Eaton
Post by jon_banquer
"The twist drill bit was invented by Steven A. Morse[1] of East
Bridgewater, Massachusetts in 1861. He received U.S. Patent 38,119
for his invention on April 7, 1863. The original method of manufacture
was to cut two grooves in opposite sides of a round bar, then to twist
the bar to produce the helical flutes.
Care to talk about design in this century
...or maybe the last?
It was *mildly* interesting to learn how things were done in the
1800's, but without context, your post seems useless in 2007
If you can't cite anyone who still makes bits this way, why mention
it? What does it add to the discussion of Flex?
Ed 'f*** the trolls' Eaton
ok guys, when I said you can make some pretty cool drill bits, i
didn't mean for production, just massing moldels or great as a test
for the SLS machine. And yes I know how drill bits are made.

anyways, thanks for that bit about the flex feature, what it came down
to for me was figuring out the math, wall thickness versus material
flex versus a whole shit load of math I thought I didn't have to do
after high school.

anyways keep the love in this room.

peace.
r***@gmail.com
2007-09-14 14:10:22 UTC
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I want to mention one more thing about the deform and shape features
and the inaccuracy people are talking about. Yes, deforming a part is
inaccurate and isn't that great for manufacturing, it's the same
reason why engineers hate splines: it can't be defined by a number.
However, that being said, more and more manufactures are tooling molds
directly from 3D data, thus eliminating the need to define and reduce
every detail to a number. So can a deformed part be made accurately?
Yes it can. but can it be considered "Designed and engineered"? well
that just opens up a whole big can of worms for discussion which I
don't really care to talk about.
b***@aol.com
2007-09-14 18:35:29 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
I want to mention one more thing about the deform and shape features
and the inaccuracy people are talking about. Yes, deforming a part is
inaccurate and isn't that great for manufacturing, it's the same
reason why engineers hate splines: it can't be defined by a number.
However, that being said, more and more manufactures are tooling molds
directly from 3D data, thus eliminating the need to define and reduce
every detail to a number. So can a deformed part be made accurately?
Yes it can. but can it be considered "Designed and engineered"? well
that just opens up a whole big can of worms for discussion which I
don't really care to talk about.
It's an interesting concept and you are right about CAM data can come
straight off of the model.

Using the SolidWorks Flex Feature, at the time of machining the mold
how would these features be in-process inspected if details (features)
don't have a number with an associated tolerance?

Tom
Edward T Eaton
2007-09-15 02:29:17 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
Using the SolidWorks Flex Feature, at the time of machining the mold
how would these features be in-process inspected if details (features)
don't have a number with an associated tolerance?
Tom
Tom,
You hit the nail on the head! Great point.

There are features on products that don't need to be inspected - they
can be machined right off of the CAD data ONLY, and if they end up a
bit off no one cares. Lots of aesthetic surfaces fall into this camp
- if off a few thousandths one way or the other, it can still look
good (and if it won't, see inspection below). This is where splines
and some of the other features of SWx can be used with no harm.

Though I personally only use Flex to model (usually check) parts that
actually flex or warp in the real world, I can't fault a designer for
using it as a shortcut for making faces that are not inspected if the
resulting geometry can still be used downstream (not always a sure
thing, and it is the designers responsiblity to do a tools>check to be
sure).

However, as you point out, critical-to-function features need
associated dims for inspection. This is where Flex is not a good
candidate. It is best to model those features as they will be
inspected, including putting the driving dimensions and tolerances
right into the part model.

While modeling, we have to keep in mind the difference. I see folks
kill themselves fully defining (with lines and arcs) loft profiles for
aesthetic surfaces that will never be machined from the dims present
in the loft profiles and never be inspected off of those. The lofts
would have been more trouble free and given better results if the
profiles were splines, so they should be made that way.

On the flip side, I've seen some folks try to take a great model and
'flex' it into the shape they want, totally screwing up their draft
(even introducing undercuts) or migrating the locations of mounting
points. These are things that will prevent the part from functioning
- better to learn how to model it correctly in the first place instead
of hoping to model it 'sorta close' then flexing it into a final shape
that messes up all the faces that need to be inspected to insure the
function of the part.

As I design, I am always thinking of features that need to be
inspected vs those that don't, and choose my features accordingly.
I'm glad you brought it up.
Ed
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 06:47:01 UTC
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I enjoyed reading your post.

Thank you for responding,

Tom
jon_banquer
2007-09-15 02:04:51 UTC
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Post by r***@gmail.com
I want to mention one more thing about the deform and shape features
and the inaccuracy people are talking about. Yes, deforming a part is
inaccurate and isn't that great for manufacturing, it's the same
reason why engineers hate splines: it can't be defined by a number.
However, that being said, more and more manufactures are tooling molds
directly from 3D data, thus eliminating the need to define and reduce
every detail to a number. So can a deformed part be made accurately?
Yes it can. but can it be considered "Designed and engineered"? well
that just opens up a whole big can of worms for discussion which I
don't really care to talk about.
How about rims? The outer diameter and inner hub can be "Designed and
engineered" but is it really that important to accurately
mathematically define the spokes where looks are really what's
important to the end user.

I think "Designed and engineered" is often way over blown and is
fodder for "SolidWorks Experts":

A SolidWorks expert is someone who knows more and more about less and
less until he knows absolutely everything about nothing.



Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
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vinny
2007-09-15 02:22:55 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
Post by r***@gmail.com
I want to mention one more thing about the deform and shape features
and the inaccuracy people are talking about. Yes, deforming a part is
inaccurate and isn't that great for manufacturing, it's the same
reason why engineers hate splines: it can't be defined by a number.
However, that being said, more and more manufactures are tooling molds
directly from 3D data, thus eliminating the need to define and reduce
every detail to a number. So can a deformed part be made accurately?
Yes it can. but can it be considered "Designed and engineered"? well
that just opens up a whole big can of worms for discussion which I
don't really care to talk about.
How about rims? The outer diameter and inner hub can be "Designed and
engineered" but is it really that important to accurately
mathematically define the spokes where looks are really what's
important to the end user.
I think "Designed and engineered" is often way over blown and is
After modeling video game stuff I realized its not all about the numbers
all the time. Depends what your modeling.
Using solidworks to model parts to be machined is just a slice of the
pie.
jon_banquer
2007-09-15 01:29:49 UTC
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Post by Edward T Eaton
Care to talk about design in this century
...or maybe the last?
It was *mildly* interesting to learn how things were done in the
1800's, but without context, your post seems useless in 2007
If you can't cite anyone who still makes bits this way, why mention
it? What does it add to the discussion of Flex?
Ed 'f*** the trolls' Eaton
Lets go back to an earlier post of yours where you said:

"One thing to keep in mind is that, like most SWx features, you have
to
know the 'real world' correlation to the feature to use it correctly."

I'm not clear on this. If something like a twist drill is ground in
the real world you feel one should use a SolidWorks cut feature
because that is the closest SolidWorks equivalent of how a twist drill
is made today?

The SolidWorks Flex Feature gets slammed as not being accurate enough
by some but I fail to see where a spline or a loft meets the accurate
enough criteria that others feel is so critical.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
PotFlower
2007-09-15 03:29:09 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
The SolidWorks Flex Feature gets slammed as not being accurate enough
by some but I fail to see where a spline or a loft meets the accurate
enough criteria that others feel is so critical.
Oh, this is getting good.

Say something else stupid and utterly ignorant, Jon. I gotta hear more
of that.

This demonstrates beyond doubt that you've never used either one. Jeesis
, what a dumass.

Dusty.
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vinny
2007-09-15 08:32:26 UTC
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On ,
Post by jon_banquer
Post by Edward T Eaton
Care to talk about design in this century
...or maybe the last?
It was *mildly* interesting to learn how things were done in the
1800's, but without context, your post seems useless in 2007
If you can't cite anyone who still makes bits this way, why mention
it? What does it add to the discussion of Flex?
Ed 'f*** the trolls' Eaton
"One thing to keep in mind is that, like most SWx features, you have
to
know the 'real world' correlation to the feature to use it correctly."
I'm not clear on this. If something like a twist drill is ground in
the real world you feel one should use a SolidWorks cut feature
because that is the closest SolidWorks equivalent of how a twist drill
is made today?
The SolidWorks Flex Feature gets slammed as not being accurate enough
by some but I fail to see where a spline or a loft meets the accurate
enough criteria that others feel is so critical.
This argument reminds me of the old surfacing argument, which surface is
more accurate.
swept vs loft.
Swept was, it was a math issue. I think the flex command fits in that
argument, its less accurate. Question is why?
How is solidworks defining it?
jon_banquer
2007-09-15 15:47:18 UTC
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Post by vinny
This argument reminds me of the old surfacing argument, which surface is
more accurate.
swept vs loft.
Swept was, it was a math issue. I think the flex command fits in that
argument, its less accurate. Question is why?
How is solidworks defining it?
There is not doubt in mind that a Sweep is more accurate than a Loft.
How can it not be as a Sweep is one constant profile being varied as
it moves along a path.

Many of the parts I use SolidWorks to create place a high emphasis on
cosmetic looks. I fail to see where I should be concerned with the
mathematical accuracy of non-critical components. What I need to be
concerned with is how good / desirable it looks to the customer. It's
like any other tool. You use it where it's appropriate to use rather
than over using it where other tools would be a better choice.

Drawing a conclusion that you should never use the Flex Feature or
Multiple Contexts as Pushing Up Daisies has is stupid and limiting.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 16:41:58 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 08:47:18 -0700, jon_banquer
Post by jon_banquer
Drawing a conclusion that you should never use the Flex Feature or
Multiple Contexts as Pushing Up Daisies has is stupid and limiting.
Jon Banquer
"I like indent. I don't like flex or multiple contexts although I use
then when need requires." Daisy - Sept. 13, 2007
Phil Evans ()
2007-09-15 15:48:19 UTC
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snip>
This argument reminds me of the old surfacing argument, which surface is
more accurate.
swept vs loft.
Swept was, it was a math issue. I think the flex command fits in that
argument, its less accurate. Question is why?
How is solidworks defining it?
end snip>

I have just taken a look at the Flex command, dont use it in my industry but it seems to be aimed at industrial designers where looks and not
mathematical accuracy are paramount.

Same for the Freeform command.

I can see a great use for them in consumer product design.


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2007-09-15 16:59:38 UTC
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Post by Phil Evans ()
I have just taken a look at the Flex command, dont use it in my industry but it seems to be aimed at industrial designers where looks and not
mathematical accuracy are paramount.
Same for the Freeform command.
I can see a great use for them in consumer product design.
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PotFlower
2007-09-15 17:21:20 UTC
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Post by Phil Evans ()
I have just taken a look at the Flex command, dont use it in my industry but it seems to be aimed at industrial designers where looks and not
mathematical accuracy are paramount.
That's what they want you to think. The geometry produced by this is not
controllable to manufacturing precision. It makes cartoons only.
Post by Phil Evans ()
Same for the Freeform command.
Freeform allows esthetic control with little numerical control. I would
trust freeform long before I would trust flex. Freeform is a legit
modeling tool. Flex is a cartoon tool.

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jon_banquer
2007-09-15 18:17:33 UTC
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Post by PotFlower
Freeform allows esthetic control with little numerical control. I would
trust freeform long before I would trust flex. Freeform is a legit
modeling tool. Flex is a cartoon tool.
Bending using the SolidWorks Flex Feature can be done with precision.
Depends on the part and how bend is applied.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
vinny
2007-09-15 23:37:11 UTC
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On ,
Post by PotFlower
Post by Phil Evans ()
I have just taken a look at the Flex command, dont use it in my
industry but it seems to be aimed at industrial designers where
looks and not mathematical accuracy are paramount.
That's what they want you to think. The geometry produced by this is
not controllable to manufacturing precision. It makes cartoons only.
Well, you gotta remember, solidworks is trying to be all things to all
people.
I used it to make a model of a gun for half life 2. I just wanted to see if
it could do it, then after searching a bit I realized there's a whole side
to solidworks I didn't know existed, it kicks for modeling video game
models.

That flex command would be real useful for video game models from what I
see.
neil
2007-09-16 01:24:21 UTC
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Post by Phil Evans ()
I can see a great use for them in consumer product design
ah...not a lot of use in reality cos it messes up surfaces badly...
PotFlower
2007-09-14 02:53:37 UTC
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Post by Edward T Eaton
And it CAN be used accurately if you spend the time to fight the
innacuracies that SWx tries to include (tip - keep an eye on each
number as you add constraints - 180° will be turned into 179.67 ° as
you change paramters, presumably to *help* you, but it doesn't)
Awww, 1701 is just so nice about stuff. He wants to say what I said
without seeming to agree with me. Touching. Really.
Post by Edward T Eaton
It can be decent on living hinges. It has been a while since I did it
last and this might no longer apply (in 2007), but I used a layout
sketch to work out the start and end points for the hinge 'flex'
region and tied my start and end planes to that sketch. Then I
struggled with it for about an hour, but got what I needed out of it.
Cartoons like I said.
Post by Edward T Eaton
One thing to keep in mind is that, like most SWx features, you have to
know the 'real world' correlation to the feature to use it correctly.
As one of the trolls pointed out (google 'internet troll' to find out
about this pathetic hobby - they will latch onto one thing in your
post and hammer it without regard to the main thrust of your question)
drill bits are not made by taking a piece of metal and twisting it, so
flex doesn't make sense as a feature to make a drill bit.
Really? I thought internet trolls lived under your Northbridge? Bet that
was from a magazone too.
Post by Edward T Eaton
However, if you take a molded part modeled in the 'as molded'
condition and then use 'flex' to fold the part along a living hinge to
check how it will close, that is kosher. In other words - only use
flex to bend parts that are bent after their manufacture to some
nominal state defined by other features (or are bent as some part of
the manufacturing process, assuming more worthy and reliable
processes, like sheetmetal, don't apply)
Ok, I know you didn't credit me for that, but your welcome.
Post by Edward T Eaton
Same goes for deform - it can seem easy to model a project using
deform, but my position is that you should have modeled a curved shape
to that curved state in the first place.
Boy, dat sound familinar too.
Post by Edward T Eaton
Hope this helps
Ed 'Fuck the trolls, lets talk Swx' Eaton
Say what you mean, 1701.

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Cliff
2007-09-11 07:57:50 UTC
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Post by FlowerPot
Post by jon_banquer
For bending things like brackets, hangers, suspension components, etc.
I think it's great and saves a lot of time.
I also think it's great for making cosmetic changes to differentiate
between what really are the same parts to keep private label customers
Never worked in a sheet metal shop, have you Jon? How the hell are you
going to manufacture something that was bent by something like that?
Ask him about developable surfaces. He's utterly clueless.
Post by FlowerPot
You
don't have precise control of the results. Flex can't be used for design
or manufacturing data.
Where did you used to work before you got fired?
It's a secret.
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Cliff
2007-09-11 07:55:48 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
For bending things like brackets, hangers, suspension components, etc.
I think it's great and saves a lot of time.
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Cliff
2007-09-11 07:56:19 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
I also think it's great for making cosmetic changes to differentiate
between what really are the same parts to keep private label customers
happy.
You really are an idiot.
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b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 19:37:00 UTC
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On Sun, 09 Sep 2007 08:44:04 -0700, jon_banquer
Post by jon_banquer
I think
"Obviously I don't think" - Jon Banquer - May 21, 2006
jon_banquer
2007-09-15 20:14:30 UTC
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Ignorant:

Someone who has a proven track record of not being able to deal with
or accept the kind of change that occurs in the cadcam market... now
that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer.

Ignorant:

Someone who doesn't live in San Diego yet insists there is no shortage
of CNC machinists here... now that's ignorant or should we say that's
Tom Brewer.

Ignorant:

Someone who criticizes someone on SolidWorks but has never helped
anyone with specific SolidWorks answers. Someone who is not able to
answer any questions that "Vinny" had on master modeling or skeletal
modeling. Someone who has never posted any models they have done...
now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer.

Ignorant:

Tom Brewer's failure to understand who Matt Lombard really is.

Ignorant:

Tom Brewer's unable to comprehend what's on the cover of the
SolidWorks Bible:

"Whether you're a new, intermediate, ...."

Ignorant:

Someone who can't understand more than a simple "I love it!" or "I
hate it!" type of comment ... now that's ignorant or should we say
that's Tom Brewer.

Tom Brewer has in many ways become just like Cliffy and that's what
"Reverse Stalking" does to someone.

Perhaps Tom Brewer, like Cliffy, now desires to become more like
me! :>)


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b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 20:39:26 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
" I dropped out of high school to pursue my dream of making a lot of
money and never went back" - Jon Banquer - Dec 28, 2002
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 20:40:41 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
Should I start listing all the people / companies with no mechanical
engineers who have designed their own engines, gearboxes, etc
Yes, please do.
Still waiting.....................
b***@aol.com
2007-09-22 20:14:22 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
Should I start listing all the people / companies with no mechanical
engineers who have designed their own engines, gearboxes, etc
Yes, please do.
Still waiting.....................
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 20:41:26 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
Math according to Jon Banquer:

"I own SolidWorks and use to teach it."
- Jon Banquer - Aug2, 2001

"I've been away from SolidWorks for almost ten years."
- Jon Banquer - Aug. 26, 2007
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 20:43:23 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:41:02 -0700, jon_banquer
Tom Brewer's never ending deception about
what the real price paid in the market is.
How can that be Jon?
I never said anything about "real price paid in the market".
Care to explain?
Guess the real question is why YOU need to make false accusations?
Tom
Still no answers Jon....................?
vinny
2007-09-15 23:38:34 UTC
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On ,
Post by b***@aol.com
On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
On Thu, 30 Aug 2007 07:41:02 -0700, jon_banquer
Tom Brewer's never ending deception about
what the real price paid in the market is.
How can that be Jon?
I never said anything about "real price paid in the market".
Care to explain?
Guess the real question is why YOU need to make false accusations?
Tom
Still no answers Jon....................?
damn....your almost a stalker lol
And that AOL.com stuff doesn't help either.
Haywood JaBlowme
2007-09-16 00:48:04 UTC
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Post by vinny
damn....your almost a stalker lol
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Almost? No doubt about it! With all the "Reverse Stalking" of Cliff
Huprich Tom Brewer has has obviously picked up quite a few of Cliff's
nasty little habits.


Haywood JaBlowme
b***@aol.com
2007-09-16 02:34:04 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 17:48:04 -0700, Haywood JaBlowme
Post by Haywood JaBlowme
Tom Brewer has has obviously picked up quite a few of Cliff's
nasty little habits.
Quoting your inconsistency and idiocy?
Post by Haywood JaBlowme
Haywood JaBlowme
For example:

"OneCNC he has delivered on creating a good CADCAM system." -Jon
Banquer - Aug 23, 2003

"OneCNC looks good." -Jon Banquer- Aug 31 2003

"OneCNC has a good product" -Jon Banquer- May 11 2005

"It seems that OneCNC is so bad" -Jon Banquer- June 30, 2007

"You deserve to get fucked if you think OneCNC can hold a candle to
any of the packages you named." - Jon Banquer- Aug 19, 2007
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 20:47:01 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
"Have plenty of clients that want stuff done in SolidWorks and I have
to focus my time there. - Jon Banquer - machine operator - Aug 11,
2007
Lot of people hiring machine operators with no experience or education
in drafting, designing or engineering to draw up their parts using a
program where he is a beginner?
Tom
Still no answer Jon..........?
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 20:52:18 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
"Franco Folini caused the mess by allowing any comments to be posted
uncensored." Jon Banquer Aug. 2007

"Jon didn't respect our agreement, posting comments under fake names."
Franco Folini-- July 8, 2007 --
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 20:54:14 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
"Your the embarrassment to this newsgroup when it comes to your
CAD/CAM posts. If you don't know shit why not just shut up until you
are willing to take the time and learn ???" - Jon Banquer- Jan. 14,
2003

"Without a doubt SaladWorks is a complete piece of shit" - Jon Banquer
- May 21, 2006

"I've been away from SolidWorks for almost ten years." - Jon Banquer-

"SolidWorks is consuming every available minute of my learning time
right now." - Jon Banquer - Aug 12, 2007
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 20:55:08 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
"You never chain geometry in Gibbs or SmartCAM. It's not necessary." -
Jon Banquer - May 20, 2005

From the SmartCAM Manual "Create the elements in any order, and
sequence them later, using modeling tools such as Chain."
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 21:00:28 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
"SolidWorks users are not savvy enough to understand why Usenet is
valuable compared to the overly moderated Eng-Tips" - Jon Banquer-

"Franco Folini caused the mess by allowing any comments to be posted
uncensored." Jon Banquer - Aug 2007
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 21:23:13 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 13:14:30 -0700, jon_banquer
"To answer your question I have never worked in a sheet metal shop.
I'm not using the SolidWorks Flex Feature for sheet metal parts."

The items you described Jon, where you recommend using the Flex
Feature "brackets, hangers" and other like suspension parts ARE sheet
metal parts.

Doh !!!!!!!
Haywood JaBlowme
2007-09-15 22:17:19 UTC
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Tom Brewer And Joe788 "Logic" Examined:


You purchase a new computer.

You post it's a fast wonderful computer that does a great job for the
software you're running at the time!

Three years go by.

You post the computer you purchased three years ago is slow and will
no longer do the job and that this computer now sucks at running your
cadcam software. You also post that you have moved on to a new
computer made by someone else and it's great!

Tom Brewer / Joe788 use these postings to try and make the case that
the person posting is an idiot.

It's not hard to see who the ignorant idiot's are.


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
Haywood JaBlowme
2007-09-15 22:18:09 UTC
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Tom Brewer is a SolidWorks expert. A SolidWorks expert is someone who
knows more and more about less and less until he knows absolutely
everything about nothing.


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
Haywood JaBlowme
2007-09-15 22:19:06 UTC
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Ignorant:

Someone who has a proven track record of not being able to deal with
or accept the kind of change that occurs in the cadcam market... now
that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer.

Ignorant:

Someone who doesn't live in San Diego yet insists there is no shortage
of CNC machinists here... now that's ignorant or should we say that's
Tom Brewer.

Ignorant:

Someone who criticizes someone on SolidWorks but has never helped
anyone with specific SolidWorks answers. Someone who is not able to
answer any questions that "Vinny" had on master modeling or skeletal
modeling. Someone who has never posted any models they have done...
now that's ignorant or should we say that's Tom Brewer.

Ignorant:

Tom Brewer's failure to understand who Matt Lombard really is.

Ignorant:

Tom Brewer's unable to comprehend what's on the cover of the
SolidWorks Bible:

"Whether you're a new, intermediate, ...."

Ignorant:

Someone who can't understand more than a simple "I love it!" or "I
hate it!" type of comment ... now that's ignorant or should we say
that's Tom Brewer.

Tom Brewer has in many ways become just like Cliffy and that's what
"Reverse Stalking" does to someone.

Perhaps Tom Brewer, like Cliffy, now desires to become more like
me! :>)


Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://worldcadaccess.typepad.com/blog/2007/07/spend-a-littleo.html#comment-76366100
Haywood JaBlowme
2007-09-15 22:37:54 UTC
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Post by b***@aol.com
The items you described Jon, where you recommend using the Flex
Feature "brackets, hangers" and other like suspension parts ARE sheet
metal parts.
Doh !!!!!!!
Thanks for reminding us that brackets have to be made out of sheet
metal. I learn something everytime you and PotFlower post.

Haywood
b***@aol.com
2007-09-15 23:21:03 UTC
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On Sat, 15 Sep 2007 15:37:54 -0700, Haywood JaBlowme
Post by Haywood JaBlowme
Post by b***@aol.com
The items you described Jon, where you recommend using the Flex
Feature "brackets, hangers" and other like suspension parts ARE sheet
metal parts.
Doh !!!!!!!
Thanks for reminding us that brackets have to be made out of sheet
metal. I learn something everytime you and PotFlower post.
Haywood
Your welcome Jon, you weren't grasping any of the clues thrown at you
so I just came right out with it to help you before you embarrassed
yourself even further.

Tom
Cliff
2007-09-11 07:51:03 UTC
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Post by FlowerPot
You don't have very good
control over what the feature makes.
[
"I'd Like To Have This Tool In SolidWorks Options"
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]

But why should he care?
--
Cliff
Cliff
2007-09-11 07:45:18 UTC
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Post by jon_banquer
I dislike most mechanical engineers.
They don't like scrap? They can smell your endless
clueless BS from a mile away? You don't have a clue
what they do (or why)?
--
Cliff
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